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Title: eminem - recovery
Post by: steve on June 09, 2010, 12:17:50 am
just leaked last night, thought id share this amazing album with you apes.

the tracks arent named sadly, but when i run them in wmp it displays everything on there.

my top are almost famous, 25 to life, and space bound.

em is pretty much back, this shit is better than relapse for sure, and relapse was decent.

http://rapidshare.com/files/396918281/Recover.zip.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/396918281/Recover.zip.html)

your welcome.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: chief on June 09, 2010, 12:30:24 am

01. Cold Wind Blows (5:04)
02. Talkin' 2 Myself (feat Kobe) (5:00)
03. On Fire (3:33)
04. Won't Back Down (feat Pink) (4:26)
05. W.T.P. (3:58)
06. Going Through Changes (4:59)
07. Not Afraid (4:08)
08. Seduction (4:35)
09. No Love (feat Lil Wayne) (5:00)
10. Space Bound (4:39)
11. Cinderella Man (4:39)
12. 25 To Life (4:02)
13. So Bad (5:25)
14. Almost Famous (4:52)
15. Love The Way You Lie (feat Rihanna) (4:23)
16. You're Never Over (5:06)
17. Untitled (3:14)

If you want to know the names of the songs of course.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Hip on June 09, 2010, 12:32:00 am
hasn't this been leaked?? for a while
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: :+:Sea!:+: on June 09, 2010, 01:02:54 am
Thanks for the share steve I appreciate it
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Myst on June 09, 2010, 02:07:18 am
This is a buy album
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: steve on June 09, 2010, 08:05:19 am

01. Cold Wind Blows (5:04)
02. Talkin' 2 Myself (feat Kobe) (5:00)
03. On Fire (3:33)
04. Won't Back Down (feat Pink) (4:26)
05. W.T.P. (3:58)
06. Going Through Changes (4:59)
07. Not Afraid (4:08)
08. Seduction (4:35)
09. No Love (feat Lil Wayne) (5:00)
10. Space Bound (4:39)
11. Cinderella Man (4:39)
12. 25 To Life (4:02)
13. So Bad (5:25)
14. Almost Famous (4:52)
15. Love The Way You Lie (feat Rihanna) (4:23)
16. You're Never Over (5:06)
17. Untitled (3:14)

If you want to know the names of the songs of course.

i think mines in a diff order.

@hip; no, it leaked 2 days ago and i been busy, wasnt even able to dl it till last night.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: chief on June 09, 2010, 09:56:55 am
That's the track list I got from what.cd
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Myst on June 09, 2010, 10:52:34 am
(http://media.defsounds.com/uploads/assets/1059/1143/35681/asset.jpeg)

http://www.defsounds.com/articles/Eminem_recovery_back_cover_x_production_credits (http://www.defsounds.com/articles/Eminem_recovery_back_cover_x_production_credits)
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: jake on June 11, 2010, 09:03:36 am
Great album!! Can't wait to buy it =P
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Gloss on June 11, 2010, 12:36:39 pm
1. Cold Wind Blows
2. Talkin’ 2 Myself Feat. Kobe
3. On Fire
4. Won’t Back Down Feat. P!nk
5. W.t.p.
6. Going Through Changes
7. Not Afraid
8. Seduction
9. No Love Feat. Lil Wayne
10. Space Bound
11. Cinderella Man
12. 25 To Life
13. So Bad
14. Almost Famous
15. Love The Way You Lie Feat. Rihanna
16. You’re Never Over
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: chief on June 11, 2010, 12:57:28 pm
Gloss I posted the track list silly
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: :+:Sea!:+: on June 11, 2010, 01:29:16 pm
Hidden track on it available at killerhiphop.com and he wrecks the whole track. I thought On Fire was the hardest but that bonus track he kills it
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: eXiLe on June 12, 2010, 12:03:28 pm
The talking 2 myself song was pretty good
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Noah on June 12, 2010, 01:00:05 pm
He kills it lol. On Fire = Crazy
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: DeCi on June 12, 2010, 09:01:06 pm
I got this album the day it leaked, I like it a lot.

Favorites:
25 to life (his rap about hip hop)
space bound
no love
talkin' to myself
Cinderella man

worth the download.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 12, 2010, 09:04:51 pm
May be popular, but this doesn't make him a good artist. He should of been taken down along time ago, along with his bad music.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: DeCi on June 12, 2010, 09:08:10 pm
He's a good artist. His SS LP/MMLP/TES were classics and he went hard on all of them. He's one of the few mainstream rappers that actually raps about emotions and not money, bitches, swag, etc.

Not to mention encore and beyond he had maaaaaaaaaaad drug problems and personal problems.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 12, 2010, 09:11:11 pm
So, you think almost all rappers (Do not include most black rappers) only rap about...
...actually raps about emotions and not money, bitches, swag, etc.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: DeCi on June 12, 2010, 09:15:37 pm
A lot of rappers rap about money, bitches, swag, being a good rapper, killing people, whatever. Eminem raps about emotions, scratch his funny tracks/relapse. I mean, artists like kanye, drake, big boi, are all dope. Plus, calling him a bad artist? Why?
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 12, 2010, 09:18:22 pm
So, you think almost all rappers (Do not include most black rappers) only rap about...
...actually raps about emotions and not money, bitches, swag, etc.
DeCi is saying that most mainstream rap artists, and by mainstream I mean what makes it to the radio frequently, are the ones who rap about their reputation, money, "shortys", etc. etc. Sure, there's mainstream ones aside from Eminem who rap about subjects that millions of people can relate to, but the entire point is that most mainstream artists in the genre do not.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 12, 2010, 09:19:25 pm
A lot of rappers rap about money, bitches, swag, being a good rapper, killing people, whatever. Eminem raps about emotions, scratch his funny tracks/relapse. I mean, artists like kanye, drake, big boi, are all dope. Plus, calling him a bad artist? Why?

I just think he's a bad artist because of him personally. Not that I know him personally, but it seems that he'd be a douche-bag through his lyrics, just reading about him, and he acts/dresses like a thug (Majority of black rappers). Also, the 'kanye, drake, big boi' suck shit at rapping. Kanye is the worst though. Can't stand him horrible music.

Edit:
So, you think almost all rappers (Do not include most black rappers) only rap about...
...actually raps about emotions and not money, bitches, swag, etc.
DeCi is saying that most mainstream rap artists, and by mainstream I mean what makes it to the radio frequently, are the ones who rap about their reputation, money, "shortys", etc. etc. Sure, there's mainstream ones aside from Eminem who rap about subjects that millions of people can relate to, but the entire point is that most mainstream artists in the genre do not.

I pretty sure from the music I've listened to, (The older music of him), he does not rap about emotions or things people can relate to. Have not listened to his new album, (and not planning to), but it just sounds like it will be a repeat of him past albums.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: DeCi on June 12, 2010, 09:20:33 pm
I see, this is just a difference in taste, at first I thought you had actual reasons. :p
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 12, 2010, 09:25:15 pm
I see, this is just a difference in taste, at first I thought you had actual reasons. :p

Are these not reasons? He acts, most of the time, as just an ordinary rapper, or mainstream rapper, which just raps about the most pointless concepts/activities that no person can relate, normally.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 12, 2010, 09:38:04 pm

So, you think almost all rappers (Do not include most black rappers) only rap about...
...actually raps about emotions and not money, bitches, swag, etc.
DeCi is saying that most mainstream rap artists, and by mainstream I mean what makes it to the radio frequently, are the ones who rap about their reputation, money, "shortys", etc. etc. Sure, there's mainstream ones aside from Eminem who rap about subjects that millions of people can relate to, but the entire point is that most mainstream artists in the genre do not.

I pretty sure from the music I've listened to, (The older music of him), he does not rap about emotions or things people can relate to. Have not listened to his new album, (and not planning to), but it just sounds like it will be a repeat of him past albums.

Let's start over. Many mainstream artists have a majority of their songs where they sing about pointless topics (sex, drugs, money, rep, etc.). The point was that Eminem, and some other artists, although they too have some pointless songs, have many songs that have a "good message" or a message people can relate to (many people that is). Quite often, but not always, songs by Eminem or other similar artists (the ones with many "non-pointless" songs) that make it to the radio, are the more pointless ones, because most people don't care about meaningful music these days. They just want a catchy tune, etc.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 12, 2010, 09:49:39 pm
Yeah, but going back to being a good mainstream rapper, he is the absolute opposite. The only reason that he is 'out there' is because people, who I believe are completely stupid. From his stupidity, and the stupidity of people who listen to him, make him only want to put out a catchy tune as you pointed out. The music listeners do not give 1/16 of a shit about his lyrics, just the sound of the song. Because of this lack of interest of the lyrics, he does not need to sing about things that go deep enough to go into the everyday life of the people who listen to, which is a very wide audience. I do not care if you listen to him, but there is no real reason that he can be proved to be a good entertainer (He is not an artist.).
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 12, 2010, 09:58:51 pm
Yeah, but going back to being a good mainstream rapper, he is the absolute opposite. The only reason that he is 'out there' is because people, who I believe are completely stupid. From his stupidity, and the stupidity of people who listen to him, make him only want to put out a catchy tune as you pointed out. The music listeners do not give 1/16 of a shit about his lyrics, just the sound of the song. Because of this lack of interest of the lyrics, he does not need to sing about things that go deep enough to go into the everyday life of the people who listen to, which is a very wide audience. I do not care if you listen to him, but there is no real reason that he can be proved to be a good entertainer (He is not an artist.).
Well any rapper is an artist. Some better than others. We can't go comparing everyone lyrically to say... The Beatles (or replace that with some famous band with famous lyrics). I've heard many songs by Eminem that have a deep meaning. The people who listen to certain radio stations (the mainstream stations) are most of the time not looking for meaningful lyrics. But it doesn't mean the artist doesn't have a lot of fans who do look for meaningful lyrics.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 12, 2010, 10:03:17 pm
Well, you have to remember that much of the listeners, not saying all but, are teenagers who do not look at the lyrics. If you could give me an example of any song with real meaningful lyrics, then I might not call him a horrible artist, but nothing could persuade me to even give a though of listening to his music regularly.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 12, 2010, 10:23:34 pm
Eminem - Beautiful (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgT1AidzRWM#ws)     :       http://www.metrolyrics.com/beautiful-lyrics-eminem.html (http://www.metrolyrics.com/beautiful-lyrics-eminem.html)

Eminem - When I'm Gone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wYNFfgrXTI#ws)      :       http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eminem/whenimgone.html (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eminem/whenimgone.html)

Eminem - Cleanin' Out My Closet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ9_TKayu9s#ws)    :       http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eminem/cleaninoutmycloset.html (http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/eminem/cleaninoutmycloset.html)

Here's a few. But I can't spend all night listing songs, I've got other things to do :).
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Jusτị¢e on June 12, 2010, 11:17:57 pm
Rap as a genre in my opinion is garbage. Most of these guys just write shit then 'rap' to a beat and that's it. That's not making music. Take out the beat, and its just poetry. Real artists write lyrics, create their own beats or music and actually sing, not talk into a mic. Kanye West maybe a faggot, but I respect him enough because he writes/produces his own music, which many other artists these days don't do.

The radio in north america play such garbage. I can't stand listening to the radio. Kids these days just want something catchy. Hip Hop/Rap needs to die. Kids need to stop dressing with baggy ass shit thinking they are thugs.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 12, 2010, 11:23:30 pm
Rap as a genre in my opinion is garbage. Most of these guys just write shit then 'rap' to a beat and that's it. That's not making music. Take out the beat, and its just poetry. Real artists write lyrics, create their own beats or music and actually sing, not talk into a mic. Kanye West maybe a faggot, but I respect him enough because he writes/produces his own music, which many other artists these days don't do.

The radio in north america play such garbage. I can't stand listening to the radio. Kids these days just want something catchy. Hip Hop/Rap needs to die. Kids need to stop dressing with baggy ass shit thinking they are thugs.
It isn't isolated to North America.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Jusτị¢e on June 13, 2010, 12:42:55 am
There's a lot of much better music being played in the UK and Europe, such as grime, drum n bass, dubstep. The music in north america is so crap. We need to move out of the shitty rap/hip hop phase and get into real music. We need radio stations that only play metalcore, deathcore, dnb/dubstep. I'm sure theres some in the US, but in Canada I don't think there are any.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 13, 2010, 10:42:24 am
There's a lot of much better music being played in the UK and Europe, such as grime, drum n bass, dubstep. The music in north america is so crap. We need to move out of the shitty rap/hip hop phase and get into real music. We need radio stations that only play metalcore, deathcore, dnb/dubstep. I'm sure theres some in the US, but in Canada I don't think there are any.

So now only metalcore, deathcore, and dnb/dubstep (whatever that is) are the only genres that matter? That is all merely your opinion, which doesn't even matter.

This is outside of North America, but is this genre not considered good music to you?

Sonata Arctica - Paid In Full (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1zkXdqcajk#)
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Jusτị¢e on June 13, 2010, 10:54:20 am
I was giving some examples of genres you don't hear at all, or barely hear, on the radio. But you will hear it outside of north america. There are tons of other genres out there that you won't be able to find on radio stations.

That song in my opinion sucks. Nightwish is better.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 13, 2010, 11:04:14 am
There's a lot of much better music being played in the UK and Europe, such as grime, drum n bass, dubstep. The music in north america is so crap. We need to move out of the shitty rap/hip hop phase and get into real music. We need radio stations that only play metalcore, deathcore, dnb/dubstep. I'm sure theres some in the US, but in Canada I don't think there are any.

So now only metalcore, deathcore, and dnb/dubstep (whatever that is) are the only genres that matter? That is all merely your opinion, which doesn't even matter.

This is outside of North America, but is this genre not considered good music to you?

Sonata Arctica - Paid In Full ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1zkXdqcajk#[/url])



Yeah, I have to agree with Yegg. That is merely your opinion alone out of millions which will not effect anything. 'Two Posts Up', Not all rap or hip-hop is bad. I will agree that there are many artists that do ruin the genre rapping about, as previously said, money, reputation, women, or 'swag', or something other people have no relation to, usually. But, because many rappers do rap about these subjects, many people just generalize rap as only this. All you have to do is look for good rap, not the radio. Listening to the radio only produces garbage rap.


And the song does suck, in my opinion.


Edit:
I was giving some examples of genres you don't hear at all, or barely hear, on the radio. But you will hear it outside of north america. There are tons of other genres out there that you won't be able to find on radio stations.

That song in my opinion sucks. Nightwish is better.


You weren't really just giving examples, you were telling rap is crap, along with most of America's common music.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Jusτị¢e on June 13, 2010, 11:16:11 am
Yea, most of america's music IS crap. Mainly the shit you hear on radios. Call it opinion, I don't care. Just because alot of people like it, does not make it good music. It just shows that Americans prefer listening to garbage on their radio stations. Take Lady GaGa for example, her songs are pure bullshit. In one of her songs shes just mumbling random crap out of her mouth. Most of the rap songs are all the same. As you mentioned already, its always about money, bitches, etc...

But, Hip hop is the WORSE shit you will ever hear.

Here's an example
Eat Dat Watermelon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZKZkC8u3_c#)

Nas is pretty much dissing hip hop. Stupid fucks can make a song out of anything, with no musical talent required. Just repeat the same word over and over again, put a beat, and you got a song.

I'm sorry, but you can not say that the shit being played on the radio is good music. You just need to widen your taste in music and start listening to real stuff. Get away from the radio. Sure, there are some good songs that will be played from time to time, but it's rare.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: chief on June 13, 2010, 11:23:12 am
Just repeat the same word over and over again, put a beat, and you got a song.
sounds like techno more like it
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 13, 2010, 11:46:00 am
Yea, most of america's music IS crap. Mainly the shit you hear on radios. Call it opinion, I don't care. Just because alot of people like it, does not make it good music. It just shows that Americans prefer listening to garbage on their radio stations. Take Lady GaGa for example, her songs are pure bullshit. In one of her songs shes just mumbling random crap out of her mouth. Most of the rap songs are all the same. As you mentioned already, its always about money, bitches, etc...

But, Hip hop is the WORSE shit you will ever hear.

Here's an example
Link Removed

Nas is pretty much dissing hip hop. Stupid fucks can make a song out of anything, with no musical talent required. Just repeat the same word over and over again, put a beat, and you got a song.

I'm sorry, but you can not say that the shit being played on the radio is good music. You just need to widen your taste in music and start listening to real stuff. Get away from the radio. Sure, there are some good songs that will be played from time to time, but it's rare.
^^'
May be popular, but this doesn't make him a good artist. He should of been taken down along time ago, along with his bad music.

Also, you picked a horrible song. I did, however, lol very hard. The thing is though that you cannot use that song to describe all of hip-hop. That's one song of all of hip-hop music, which absolutely sucked camel dick. There is much better hip-hop music out there to listen to. It may not be advertised on the radio, but if you look around, you're bound to find the good.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crisis on June 13, 2010, 11:53:01 am
Eat Dat Watermelon ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZKZkC8u3_c#[/url])

omg I lol'd so hard
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Jusτị¢e on June 13, 2010, 12:13:46 pm
You clearly didn't understand the point of that video. It was a spoof making fun of hip hop because that is how the majority of hip hop does sound. Yes, I can pick that song to describe hip hop because that's what most songs sounds like today. As Nas said at the end of the video, if that shit don't stop, hip hop is dead.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: EyeEmFhoreYewTewEnVee on June 13, 2010, 12:21:46 pm
blah blah blah, you guys are stupid. noone cares why you rage about rap justice. just listen to your techno and shh on this subject.
the cd is amazing.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 13, 2010, 12:25:42 pm
Justice: The problem is that you're not being specific at all. You're saying stuff like "all Americans" this or "all music on radio" this, etc. It's inaccurate. There's thousands of radio stations in the US. One of the stations in my state plays only rock, mostly harder rock, metal, etc. Stuff you'd probably like. It's a big radio station, but it's not a corporate or mainstream radio station. The stations playing the shitty music are the huge corporate mainstream stations. There's still a lot of great music on the radio, it's just not being played on the mainstream radio stations for the majority of the time.
One of the top rock stations over here has days where the entire day consists of music requested by the callers (of course, the people who listen to it all listen to forms of rock so they're not going to pick something like say.. hip hop). So it won't be just stuff the radio station selects.
I'm not too big on rap in general, but there's some artists I do like to listen to and I can see how they actually have talent and make good music. I don't go around saying they all suck.

THIS. THIS is the kind of music that is retarded. It's also probably what in part inspired that Eat Dat Watermelon video.

Ying Yang Twins - Naggin' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8uBc18jOU8#ws)

LOL!?!

Another example:

Lil Jon - get low music movie ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSh_Oc78A4o#)

Seriously?
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: EyeEmFhoreYewTewEnVee on June 13, 2010, 12:27:43 pm
That song is for you yegg 'whomp whomp whomp whomp whommpppp' that's all that i read from your posts.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 13, 2010, 12:32:16 pm
That song is for you yegg 'whomp whomp whomp whomp whommpppp' that's all that i read from your posts.

(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee165/Biasedturkey/Dont-feed-the-Troll.jpg)
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: кηιgнтяι∂єя on June 13, 2010, 12:42:10 pm
The link is dead :P can you fix?
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Jusτị¢e on June 13, 2010, 12:43:12 pm
blah blah blah, you guys are stupid. noone cares why you rage about rap justice. just listen to your techno and shh on this subject.
the cd is amazing.

I don't listen to techno, but thanks.

Yegg, the problem here in Canada is that there is pretty much only mainstream radio. There are barely any good radio stations (none that I know of). So when I turn on the radio, I only hear that shit. So I was assuming that most of the radio stations in the US would be the same.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 13, 2010, 01:01:48 pm
The link is dead :P can you fix?
The link is not dead.

Yegg, the problem here in Canada is that there is pretty much only mainstream radio. There are barely any good radio stations (none that I know of). So when I turn on the radio, I only hear that shit. So I was assuming that most of the radio stations in the US would be the same.
I can't say for most US stations, since I only live in Connecticut. It's a small state so there aren't many stations to begin with, but there's 3 main rock stations, and maybe like 6 or 7 mainstream stations that play stuff like certain types of rap, hip hop, R&B, etc. The 3 rock stations are a mostly 80s rock station, an alternative rock station, and a station that plays all sorts of rock (mostly heavier stuff). There's some other stations with soft rock, but I don't listen to those stations.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 13, 2010, 01:12:38 pm
blah blah blah, you guys are stupid. noone cares why you rage about rap justice. just listen to your techno and shh on this subject.
the cd is amazing.

I don't listen to techno, but thanks.

Yegg, the problem here in Canada is that there is pretty much only mainstream radio. There are barely any good radio stations (none that I know of). So when I turn on the radio, I only hear that shit. So I was assuming that most of the radio stations in the US would be the same.

Yes, when I turn on the radio to listen to music, rarely if I can't find my IPod, I usually find shitty, garbage music when scanning through the stations. Not sure if I'm looking in the right places, but Canadian, as well as American radio, are very heavily populated with garbage music that just plain sucks.

blah blah blah, you guys are stupid. noone cares why you rage about rap justice. just listen to your techno and shh on this subject.
the cd is amazing.

I don't listen to techno, but thanks.

Yegg, the problem here in Canada is that there is pretty much only mainstream radio. There are barely any good radio stations (none that I know of). So when I turn on the radio, I only hear that shit. So I was assuming that most of the radio stations in the US would be the same.

Yeah, they're better than the heavier populated states like New York where they have some many varieties of music playing on the radio where garbage is found.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 13, 2010, 01:53:41 pm
blah blah blah, you guys are stupid. noone cares why you rage about rap justice. just listen to your techno and shh on this subject.
the cd is amazing.

I don't listen to techno, but thanks.

Yegg, the problem here in Canada is that there is pretty much only mainstream radio. There are barely any good radio stations (none that I know of). So when I turn on the radio, I only hear that shit. So I was assuming that most of the radio stations in the US would be the same.

Yes, when I turn on the radio to listen to music, rarely if I can't find my IPod, I usually find shitty, garbage music when scanning through the stations. Not sure if I'm looking in the right places, but Canadian, as well as American radio, are very heavily populated with garbage music that just plain sucks.

blah blah blah, you guys are stupid. noone cares why you rage about rap justice. just listen to your techno and shh on this subject.
the cd is amazing.

I don't listen to techno, but thanks.

Yegg, the problem here in Canada is that there is pretty much only mainstream radio. There are barely any good radio stations (none that I know of). So when I turn on the radio, I only hear that shit. So I was assuming that most of the radio stations in the US would be the same.

Yeah, they're better than the heavier populated states like New York where they have some many varieties of music playing on the radio where garbage is found.
I don't understand what you're saying about radio stations in populated states such as New York.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 13, 2010, 02:11:28 pm
Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. I'm just trying to say that in New York, they're is more 'garbage' music then smaller states such as Connecticut or Rhode Island. Just saying that larger states contain most of the bad music then the smaller states with less radio stations.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: chief on June 13, 2010, 02:17:10 pm
Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. I'm just trying to say that in New York, they're is more 'garbage' music then smaller states such as Connecticut or Rhode Island. Just saying that larger states contain most of the bad music then the smaller states with less radio stations.
Not really, New York has about the same amount as Arizona when it comes to radio stations, or are you referring to New York City?
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 13, 2010, 02:25:57 pm
Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. I'm just trying to say that in New York, they're is more 'garbage' music then smaller states such as Connecticut or Rhode Island. Just saying that larger states contain most of the bad music then the smaller states with less radio stations.
Not really, New York has about the same amount as Arizona when it comes to radio stations, or are you referring to New York City?
Was referring to New York City.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 13, 2010, 03:12:49 pm
Please correct me if I'm wrong about this. I'm just trying to say that in New York, they're is more 'garbage' music then smaller states such as Connecticut or Rhode Island. Just saying that larger states contain most of the bad music then the smaller states with less radio stations.
I wouldn't know for certain. I'd imagine it would have many more stations in general, and considering that there are always more stations with shitty music as opposed to good music, it might just be that it's easier to notice all the shitty music in a location that has more stations in general.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: DeCi on June 16, 2010, 02:22:39 am
If you do not like eminem, allow me to share a video with you that will make you want his CD.

Emwow: Vince for Eminem's Recovery (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzrArpks3mk&feature=player_embedded#ws)
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Vault on June 16, 2010, 05:32:26 am

04. Won't Back Down (feat Pink) (4:26) ~ =\

09. No Love (feat Lil Wayne) (5:00)   ~ Wow... Thats fucked up O_O!

15. Love The Way You Lie (feat Rihanna) (4:23)   ~ =)
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: steve on June 16, 2010, 07:31:53 am
May be popular, but this doesn't make him a good artist. He should of been taken down along time ago, along with his bad music.

lol shut the fuck up you retarded 12 year old, if you think eminem is bad you're just mad because hes the best rapper alive.

wtf do u listen to? LIL WAYNE? CHRIS BROWN? that singy faggy shit? gtfo man, eminem = one of the best lyricists ever.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: pikachu on June 16, 2010, 11:08:45 am
wax tailor > eminem
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: EyeEmFhoreYewTewEnVee on June 16, 2010, 11:50:04 am
steven, you do realize lil wayne is on em's new cd
he is no where near the best rapper alive.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Vault on June 16, 2010, 05:46:07 pm
steven, you do realize lil wayne is on em's new cd
he is no where near the best rapper alive.



That is so very true he lost all my respect :(


=(


If you do not like eminem, allow me to share a video with you that will make you want his CD.

Emwow: Vince for Eminem's Recovery ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzrArpks3mk&feature=player_embedded#ws[/url])



Ahahahaha Lulz.





~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Edit: Better prime? C: <3
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 16, 2010, 05:56:27 pm
Try not to double post. Just put both quotes with both responses on same post.

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Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 16, 2010, 06:54:54 pm
steven, you do realize lil wayne is on em's new cd
he is no where near the best rapper alive.
Your argument makes no sense. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, but sometimes, the person who is best at something doesn't like to brag about it or try to make others think they are the best.
On the other hand, lil wayne is on eminem's CD, if eminem were not the best rapper, wouldn't this be the other way around? Again, I'm not saying he is or isn't the best rapper, just trying to show you failed to think of.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Jusτị¢e on June 16, 2010, 11:06:46 pm
eminem is NOT one of the best lyrcists ever. There are tons of people who write better shit than him, and actually make their own music on top of that.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: jake on June 16, 2010, 11:18:36 pm
Man you couldn't make a bulimic puke on a piece of fucking corn and peanut poo
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: EyeEmFhoreYewTewEnVee on June 17, 2010, 01:18:03 am
Yegg, go view some CP and stay out of this convo. I wasnt arguing, steve stated lil wayne is a shitty rapper and eminem is the best, yet eminem HAS lil wayne on his cd.. fuck man you are stupid lmao. Why must I clearify things to the ignorant.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Loud on June 17, 2010, 01:24:54 am
Eminem was far better on Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP. When he was on drugs and had personal problems. Anything beyond that... Meehhh not the same. I like my rappers doin drugs and killin' people. Knawmsaying?
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: pikachu on June 17, 2010, 01:25:41 pm
Rappers are generally morons.  They are also usually not artists or musicians, but merely entertainers.  Real hip hop and stomp poetry do not usually fit into this category, but neither are something you will ever hear on the radio or see on MTV.  You say you respect words and language, but are usually incapable of producing coherent sentences yourself.  Why aren't you reading Shakespeare?  Shakespeare's sonnets > eminem's garbage all day long.  Read some of bukowski's poems.  bah...
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 17, 2010, 05:38:21 pm
Rappers are generally morons.  They are also usually not artists or musicians, but merely entertainers.  Real hip hop and stomp poetry do not usually fit into this category, but neither are something you will ever hear on the radio or see on MTV.  You say you respect words and language, but are usually incapable of producing coherent sentences yourself.  Why aren't you reading Shakespeare?  Shakespeare's sonnets > eminem's garbage all day long.  Read some of bukowski's poems.  bah...
That is all opinion. No one cares.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 17, 2010, 05:39:50 pm
Rappers are generally morons.  They are also usually not artists or musicians, but merely entertainers.  Real hip hop and stomp poetry do not usually fit into this category, but neither are something you will ever hear on the radio or see on MTV.  You say you respect words and language, but are usually incapable of producing coherent sentences yourself.  Why aren't you reading Shakespeare?  Shakespeare's sonnets > eminem's garbage all day long.  Read some of bukowski's poems.  bah...
That is all opinion. No one cares.

Do you have anything that proves him wrong?
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 17, 2010, 05:42:53 pm
Rappers are generally morons.  They are also usually not artists or musicians, but merely entertainers.  Real hip hop and stomp poetry do not usually fit into this category, but neither are something you will ever hear on the radio or see on MTV.  You say you respect words and language, but are usually incapable of producing coherent sentences yourself.  Why aren't you reading Shakespeare?  Shakespeare's sonnets > eminem's garbage all day long.  Read some of bukowski's poems.  bah...
That is all opinion. No one cares.

Do you have anything that proves him wrong?
Gee, I don't know, read my earlier posts in this thread? And how does he know "real hip hop" (whatever that is) will NEVER be heard on the radio? I'm sure out of the many tens of thousands of radio stations across the entire planet, a "real hip hop" song in pianka's own opinion, has been aired AT LEAST one time. I could pick apart the rest of what he said, but it's just a waste of my time since nothing he said matters.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 17, 2010, 05:50:06 pm
Gee, didn't read the beginning?
May be popular, but this doesn't make him a good artist. He should of been taken down along time ago, along with his bad music.
I started this argument, not saying nobody else would sooner or later, but I've been reading post by post as each person did. I've read posts early on and nothing really convinces the people who do not like Eminem to even consider listening to him regularly. All I've really seen was proof that he's a horrible lyricist and non-convincing garbage posts.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 17, 2010, 05:51:47 pm
Gee, didn't read the beginning?
May be popular, but this doesn't make him a good artist. He should of been taken down along time ago, along with his bad music.
I started this argument, not saying nobody else would sooner or later, but I've been reading post by post as each person did. I've read posts early on and nothing really convinces the people who do not like Eminem to even consider listening to him regularly. All I've really seen was proof that he's a horrible lyricist and non-convincing garbage posts.
I hate Shakespeare.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 17, 2010, 05:55:08 pm
Gee, didn't read the beginning?
May be popular, but this doesn't make him a good artist. He should of been taken down along time ago, along with his bad music.
I started this argument, not saying nobody else would sooner or later, but I've been reading post by post as each person did. I've read posts early on and nothing really convinces the people who do not like Eminem to even consider listening to him regularly. All I've really seen was proof that he's a horrible lyricist and non-convincing garbage posts.
I hate Shakespeare.

Nice response.  :P
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 17, 2010, 05:57:40 pm
Gee, didn't read the beginning?
May be popular, but this doesn't make him a good artist. He should of been taken down along time ago, along with his bad music.
I started this argument, not saying nobody else would sooner or later, but I've been reading post by post as each person did. I've read posts early on and nothing really convinces the people who do not like Eminem to even consider listening to him regularly. All I've really seen was proof that he's a horrible lyricist and non-convincing garbage posts.
I hate Shakespeare.

Nice response.  :P
I didn't feel like typing more. The point is, that regardless how undoubtedly talented he may have been, I don't like his work. His writings are boring to me. They don't interest me. I'm not big on rap myself, but certain people's lyrics may be hated by others, but enjoyed by me. What pianka said early was opinion based.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 17, 2010, 06:05:51 pm
Gee, didn't read the beginning?
May be popular, but this doesn't make him a good artist. He should of been taken down along time ago, along with his bad music.
I started this argument, not saying nobody else would sooner or later, but I've been reading post by post as each person did. I've read posts early on and nothing really convinces the people who do not like Eminem to even consider listening to him regularly. All I've really seen was proof that he's a horrible lyricist and non-convincing garbage posts.
I hate Shakespeare.

Nice response.  :P
I didn't feel like typing more. The point is, that regardless how undoubtedly talented he may have been, I don't like his work. His writings are boring to me. They don't interest me. I'm not big on rap myself, but certain people's lyrics may be hated by others, but enjoyed by me. What pianka said early was opinion based.

Opinion-based doesn't mean wrong. He is right that rappers being generally morons, that Shakespeare > Eminem obviously, and that you never hear 'real' hip-hop on MTV or radio. I'm not completely sure what 'real' hip-hop is like, don't hear much of it.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Jusτị¢e on June 17, 2010, 08:04:36 pm
Gee, didn't read the beginning?
May be popular, but this doesn't make him a good artist. He should of been taken down along time ago, along with his bad music.
I started this argument, not saying nobody else would sooner or later, but I've been reading post by post as each person did. I've read posts early on and nothing really convinces the people who do not like Eminem to even consider listening to him regularly. All I've really seen was proof that he's a horrible lyricist and non-convincing garbage posts.
I hate Shakespeare.

Nice response.  :P
I didn't feel like typing more. The point is, that regardless how undoubtedly talented he may have been, I don't like his work. His writings are boring to me. They don't interest me. I'm not big on rap myself, but certain people's lyrics may be hated by others, but enjoyed by me. What pianka said early was opinion based.

Opinion-based doesn't mean wrong. He is right that rappers being generally morons, that Shakespeare > Eminem obviously, and that you never hear 'real' hip-hop on MTV or radio. I'm not completely sure what 'real' hip-hop is like, don't hear much of it.

Although I agree with pianka's post and your point in trying to defend him, but you seem like his little bitch on hit nuts defending his ass 24/7. Is there anything the two of you don't agree on?
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Warden on June 17, 2010, 08:12:16 pm
I see, this is just a difference in taste, at first I thought you had actual reasons. :p


Are these not reasons? He acts, most of the time, as just an ordinary rapper, or mainstream rapper, which just raps about the most pointless concepts/activities that no person can relate, normally.


Normally, everyone at some point in their lives can relate to atleast one of eminem's songs if not an entire song them some words within a song. Eminem has come to fame because people can relate to his music, just because 1 out of 10million people(You) can't doesn't mean he's a bad artist. Everything you have posted furthermore in those topic is irrelevant as you clearly lack the conscience to comprehend anything he says. Im only on Page 2 of this topic and, I've already witnessed enough of your idiotic views about Eminem that it provoked me to reply.

/edit:

I have to agree with Steve, Eminem is the best "made" rapper alive in my opinion. Perhaps not the best in history compared to Biggie and, Tupac but when he dies he'll be etched into history next to those two names. As for the people with radio problems:

DEAD PREZ - TURN OFF THE RADIO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUOZzDh8etg#)
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Jusτị¢e on June 17, 2010, 08:59:59 pm
History that no one will give two shits about. He's just another rapper you hear on the radio. His fame means nothing when you see other fools like T-Pain and Soulja Boy famous as well. I don't really care if I can relate to his songs or not, he just sucks. Like pianka said, hes an entertainer, not a real artist or musician.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Warden on June 17, 2010, 09:03:37 pm
History that no one will give two shits about. He's just another rapper you hear on the radio. His fame means nothing when you see other fools like T-Pain and Soulja Boy famous as well. I don't really care if I can relate to his songs or not, he just sucks. Like pianka said, hes an entertainer, not a real artist or musician.

Yeah because "Despicable" is a prime example of entertainment right? If you can't comprehend his words you can't even say he sucks and, if you can comprehend his words you obviously wouldn't say he sucks. Get off Eminem's dick and, go listen to your pussy music.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 17, 2010, 09:19:44 pm
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Although I agree with pianka's post and your point in trying to defend him, but you seem like his little bitch on hit nuts defending his ass 24/7. Is there anything the two of you don't agree on?

Yes, there are things that we don't agree on, and he usually proves me wrong. But since we're on the same side of this argument, I'm defending him. I don't even talk to him 24/7 and I'm not his bitch, I'm not that stupid.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: pikachu on June 18, 2010, 03:00:29 pm
Yegg, just because you aren't very familiar with the history of music doesn't mean what I'm saying is "opinion-based".  Hip hop is more of expressive poetry than music; it's just that our media has bastardized any form of real art.

Aside from that, you can just look at the intelligence of people (SAT scores) and the music they listen to:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/scubastza/Blog%20Stuff/musicthatmakesyoudum2bla.png)

First of all, I'd like to say good fucking game.  Dumb people have dumb opinions.  I honestly can't really expect the left half of the bell curve to have good taste in music.  It's not your fault you're stupid and have bad taste in everything, just blame genetics and shitty parenting.

edit: I got a higher score on the SATs than any of you
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: steve on June 18, 2010, 03:19:29 pm
Quote
Although I agree with pianka's post and your point in trying to defend him, but you seem like his little bitch on hit nuts defending his ass 24/7. Is there anything the two of you don't agree on?

Yes, there are things that we don't agree on, and he usually proves me wrong. But since we're on the same side of this argument, I'm defending him. I don't even talk to him 24/7 and I'm not his bitch, I'm not that stupid.

hah, your posts are so funny, "and he usually proves me wrong" get off his jock dude. all the shit u talk about eminem is hilarious you're such a hater, name some better rappers and post songs.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: pikachu on June 18, 2010, 03:32:19 pm
Can't reply to either of my posts steve?
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 18, 2010, 03:40:48 pm
Quote
Although I agree with pianka's post and your point in trying to defend him, but you seem like his little bitch on hit nuts defending his ass 24/7. Is there anything the two of you don't agree on?

Yes, there are things that we don't agree on, and he usually proves me wrong. But since we're on the same side of this argument, I'm defending him. I don't even talk to him 24/7 and I'm not his bitch, I'm not that stupid.

hah, your posts are so funny, "and he usually proves me wrong" get off his jock dude. all the shit u talk about eminem is hilarious you're such a hater, name some better rappers and post songs.

Does this mean I hop on his dick saying that he proves me wrong usually? No, but I wouldn't expect someone with such a low IQ as you to understand this.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Jusτị¢e on June 18, 2010, 03:54:09 pm
I call bullshit on that image. Your musical taste is based off your personal preferences, not your intelligence. The guy just took peoples favourite music on facebook and the college they goto and made some stupid ass graph about it. Theres no scientific proof or reasoning behind that shit.

Most people listen to more than one genre/artist. How the fuck does the graph apply to those people? That's just plain stupid. Also, genetics and parenting have nothing to do with the music you listen to.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: steve on June 18, 2010, 03:59:12 pm
Can't reply to either of my posts steve?
most of the music i listen to were on the right in your little "chart" anyways, but tbh whos the say how accurate it is?

Quote
Although I agree with pianka's post and your point in trying to defend him, but you seem like his little bitch on hit nuts defending his ass 24/7. Is there anything the two of you don't agree on?

Yes, there are things that we don't agree on, and he usually proves me wrong. But since we're on the same side of this argument, I'm defending him. I don't even talk to him 24/7 and I'm not his bitch, I'm not that stupid.

hah, your posts are so funny, "and he usually proves me wrong" get off his jock dude. all the shit u talk about eminem is hilarious you're such a hater, name some better rappers and post songs.

Does this mean I hop on his dick saying that he proves me wrong usually? No, but I wouldn't expect someone with such a low IQ as you to understand this.


yes because you know my IQ lol..... you're so bad mayne..
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 18, 2010, 04:02:14 pm
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yes because you know my IQ lol..... you're so bad mayne..

Just seems like it's low by the quality of your posts.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: pikachu on June 18, 2010, 04:11:21 pm
I call bullshit on that image. Your musical taste is based off your personal preferences, not your intelligence. The guy just took peoples favourite music on facebook and the college they goto and made some stupid ass graph about it. Theres no scientific proof or reasoning behind that shit.

Most people listen to more than one genre/artist. How the fuck does the graph apply to those people? That's just plain stupid. Also, genetics and parenting have nothing to do with the music you listen to.

As for the graph, it's empirical data--so what if they used Facebook?  Are you trying to tell me Facebook, the #2 site on the alexa rankings isn't a large enough sample size?  I'm also really amazed you think genetics and parenting have nothing to do with music, seeing as nature and nurture are really the only two ways you can form any set of psychological schemas in any way, shape or form.  In fact, there's really nothing else that exists that can influence you.  Genetics + environment = everything you are.

most of the music i listen to were on the right in your little "chart" anyways, but tbh whos the say how accurate it is?

The only rap artist who even comes close to the right half is Outkast.  Aside from that, I will once again point to empirical data for accuracy.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Loud on June 18, 2010, 04:35:51 pm
Lol uhhhhh. I don't think the type of music you listen to dictates how smart you are. And that chart is redikalis. I listen to some Lil Wayne, and I definitely didn't score an 800 or lower on my SATs...

Me thinks you've been owned by invalid information.

EDIT: And there are some pretty intelligent and musically talented rappers. They just aren't on MTV...
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: pikachu on June 18, 2010, 04:36:42 pm
Lol uhhhhh. I don't think the type of music you listen to dictates how smart you are. And that chart is redikalis. I listen to some Lil Wayne, and I definitely didn't score an 800 or lower on my SATs...

Me thinks you've been owned by invalid information.

Methinks you don't understand how statistics work.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Loud on June 18, 2010, 04:38:58 pm
I do. But I'd want to see the sample. And statistics are easily manipulated. That's some chart by some random guy. There's a good chance he decided "I want to prove Lil Wayne is fucking stupid and Beethoven is smarter", manipulated some data to show that, and then posted it on his site. Omgooses. Information not found by valid sources tends to be fucking useless.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Yegg on June 18, 2010, 06:05:58 pm
pianka: I don't care what your SAT score was. So fuck you..

Anyways, I'm not talking about whether or not particular music makes you dumber. I'm talking about what is "good" music or "bad" music depends on personal preference.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Josie on June 18, 2010, 07:18:56 pm
Eminem is one of the only rappers I find enjoyable to listen to.  I like that guy hes cool :)  and so is his story from childhood to fame he really is a true icon :)
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Warden on June 18, 2010, 07:46:47 pm
Eminem - Not Afraid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s#ws)
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Crux on June 18, 2010, 09:38:06 pm
Eminem is one of the only rappers I find enjoyable to listen to.  I like that guy hes cool :)  and so is his story from childhood to fame he really is a true icon :)

How is he an icon? He is a moronic entertainer. His history isn't probably much different from any other rapper like him ;Working-Class/Middle Class kid to a wealthy rapper that everyone loves without knowing why.

Eminem - Not Afraid ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s#ws[/url])

Bad Music..
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: steve on June 18, 2010, 09:44:05 pm
Eminem is one of the only rappers I find enjoyable to listen to.  I like that guy hes cool :)  and so is his story from childhood to fame he really is a true icon :)

How is he an icon? He is a moronic entertainer. His history isn't probably much different from any other rapper like him ;Working-Class/Middle Class kid to a wealthy rapper that everyone loves without knowing why.

Eminem - Not Afraid ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s#ws[/url])

Bad Music..


virgin.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: pikachu on June 19, 2010, 12:34:59 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_theory)
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: Hip on June 19, 2010, 05:43:40 am
truth: pianka wrote half of everything that's on wikipedia
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: jake on June 19, 2010, 02:51:37 pm
Prime go eat a dick no one is trashing the music you listen to are they? So hop off Shadys lap little kiddie and stay out of this thread!!

Sweet link aknaip

This song is my favorite on Recovery

Eminem - W.T.P. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHWhzKFRmTc#)
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: pikachu on June 19, 2010, 03:05:39 pm
Locked due to extreme retardation.
Title: Re: eminem - recovery
Post by: pikachu on June 20, 2010, 03:51:59 pm
Warden's appeal for unlocking:

Quote
Too lazy to moderate a topic so that people can have a real debate, suggest unlocking topic.


There's nothing that's a "real debate" about this thread.  Furthermore, the content is ridiculous and the participants are combative.  For like the fifth time, I will point to the Dunning-Kruger effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect).